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Zion Faith Home = Heard of it? - 2/13/2010 3:34:06 PM
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Liveloved
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I'm just wondering if any are familiar with the Zion Faith Home that began in Zion, Illinois.
A woman named Martha Wing Robinson and a man named Rex Andrews are two of the individuals who were involved in this faith home and it's teaching. There is a focus on mercy in the teaching as well.
Anyway, just wondering if others know of this, have any experience with it or those who have been a part of it. Thoughts?
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RE: Zion Faith Home = Heard of it? - 2/14/2010 5:09:11 PM
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90 views and so far no responses. So does this mean you haven't heard of it? or are unwilling to respond? or something else?
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RE: Zion Faith Home = Heard of it? - 2/14/2010 10:49:18 PM
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Never heard of it, sorry. But just from its name alone I'm surpised the resident HH-ers that post here haven't popped in with an observation.
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RE: Zion Faith Home = Heard of it? - 2/15/2010 6:49:21 AM
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I've never heard of it either.
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RE: Zion Faith Home = Heard of it? - 2/17/2010 9:14:54 AM
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At the risk of being accused of being an HH'er by all you WOF'ers, I'll step up to say, according to THIS Zion Faith Home and others like it no longer exist. It was in operation from 1910-1936.
If you Google Martha Wing Robinson you can find info on who she was and what she was into. Also, if you go to the Home page on the link I gave, you should be able to discern for yourself what this movement is all about.
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RE: Zion Faith Home = Heard of it? - 4/26/2010 8:15:26 AM
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This is a long time since the original question, but at least in 1986 the Faith Homes still existed in Zion. My family and I spent about 10 days there as the first part of a 7 week long sabbatical. I will try to find more information.
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RE: Zion Faith Home = Heard of it? - 4/26/2010 8:19:28 AM
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I believe they can be found at Eschol Avenue in Zion, IL
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RE: Zion Faith Home = Heard of it? - 4/27/2010 11:49:08 AM
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RE: Zion Faith Home = Heard of it? - 6/28/2010 2:33:38 PM
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1. Yes they still do exist. Type it into Google and you'll even find an address. I know someone who is even there now.
2. Rumor has it that that teaching in the Zion Faith Homes is not the same as what it was. http://ifphc.org/pdf//Heritage/1990_03.pdf see PAGE 4 and following (on what was taught). Now it is very "dispensational-premillenial" in its emphasis. Thus I think it has digressed. It was not so at the beginning.
3. I knew people who know Mrs. Robinson. I and my family knew Mr. Gordon P. Gardiner (the author of the book Radiant Glory) personally. I am familiar with Hans Waldvogel http://www.hanswaldvogel.com (both who came into contact with Mrs. Robinson's life and ministry and the Zion Faith Homes). These people were authentic and genuine. Another link I could give you is to http://www.pilgrimcamp.org (you may wish to check out the sermons/writings and historical links there).
Edith Blumhoffer Waldvogel is a descendant (daughter) of some of these pastors (herself an authority on Pentecostal History and professor of Church History at Wheaton and author of several books).
And I think one more noteworthy link to Zion, Radiant Glory, the diaspora of Zion and what came later may be found here: http://sites.google.com/site/davidkeames2/
I hope this helps you.
Bosworth was familiar with these homes. John G. Lake and Smith Wigglesworth also attended meetings there. Likely Bosworth and Lake remained in touch with these people all of their lives.
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RE: Zion Faith Home = Heard of it? - 7/15/2010 7:42:52 AM
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Hi, I don't know that I have much of a better answer for you except to explain what I know of the Zion Faith Homes to the original sender.
There is a ministry called Pure Life Ministries; these ministries were heavily influenced by Zion Faith Homes and the leaders. Steve Gallagher is the President of Pure Life Ministries; he says he was heavily influenced by men such as Doug Detert and David Leopold. (yes, this is the same Faith Homes with Martha Robinson and Dowell in Zion, IL.)
As of 1999-2000, Zion Faith Homes continued to run. Yes, Pure Life Ministries definitely emphasizes the "inner life" which is characteristics of Zion Faith Homes. In fact, every Sunday, we were required to read one of Zion Faith Homes book called "What the Bible Teaches about Mercy" by Rex Andrews.
If you want just a small taste of Zion Faith Home teachings, I suggest you listen to David Leopold's sermon on brokenness ... these sermons open up my heart to the LORD and can be found here:
http://www.purelifeministries.org/index.cfm?pageid=168
You will need to do a quick skim of the sermons and look for David Leopold, but he is there. There are other speakers on this page as well that do a good job; but Leopold was head of Zion Faith Homes. (I'm not sure if he continues to be to this day)
As far as Zion Faith Homes becoming premillennial dispensational in their stance, that is disappointing if it is true. I myself am an Indpendent Fundamental Baptist with a dispensational premil stance; but I liked Pure Life Ministries and the Zion Faith Home leaders (Doug Detert visited us often) because they didn't let that stuff in the way of their faith and they preached so heavily on the "inward" life.
As of 2000, the leaders I heard from (Doug Detert) did not emphasize or believe in dispensational premillennialism. I also highly doubt it because Rex Andrews (another leader in Zion Faith Homes) wrote a book on Revelation which was just as thick as his book on What the Bible Teaches About Mercy. I do not believe the book is premillennial in doctrine.
However, perhaps there is some confusion as to the millennial reign of Christ. As far as I know, Rex Andrews (another influential leader of these faith homes as early as the 1940s) did believe in a form of premillennialism, but not necessarily dispensational in style. Pure Life and Zion Faith Homes believe there will be a 1000 year reign of Christ also based on Rex Andrew's book on the same subject. However, they did not believe in a pretrib rapture and taught often that the church would see the Antichrist and be purified by going through the tribulation. This is elaborated in Steve Gallagher's book (Pure Life Ministries) called "Intoxicated with Babylon".
Two last things about Zion Faith Homes: I believe the reason it is so difficult to find information on them is because they are not looking for glory or fame or prestige. It is a theory, but they have never erected a web site though many of the ministries they have touched have erected a web site. Secondly, it is my sincere hope that one day - whether it is deliberate or accidental, I get to spend some sort of time at Zion Faith Homes.
Steve Gallagher attests that when he visited Zion Faith Homes, he would often talk about his work in the ministry with sexual addicts. After a couple of times doing this, one of the leaders of Zion Faith Homes basically told him in a nutshell - "We are not here to hear about you; we are here to hear about Jesus." This is the type of life I wish to live; the life of brokenness, faith, humility, etc. Sorry for the longwinded message - I hope there was some small gem in it.
Livedloved "Senior Member" - I hope this may have helped somewhat. Perhaps, if you want to do further research - you may wish to call Pure Life Ministries and get a hold of Steve Gallagher or at least see if they will give you contact info. Please keep up posted on your spiritual journey regarding the Zion Faith Homes.
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RE: Zion Faith Home = Heard of it? - 8/7/2010 12:01:33 PM
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Just a reply to the last post.
It might be a bit difficult to classify the eschatology of Dowie. He was definately RESTORATIONIST. He labeled himself as "Elijah III" which might have some premillenial connotations attached to it. On the other hand with his theocracy he also sounds post-millenial: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9E02E3DE1E30E23AA15750C0A9609C946097D6CF
Without refering to the current teaching and beliefs of those living or visiting the Faith Homes today -- Did Dowie's eschatology trickle down into the Faith Homes immediately after his demise?
I do know this, that of the original Faith Home leaders Martha Wing Robinson strongly encouraged the works of PHILLIP MAURO to Gordon P. Gardiner as something that would "ground him" in these eschatological matters. Mauro, a patent lawyer to Thomas Edison (and present at the Scopes Monkey Trial) was converted from dispensationalism and later wrote in great detail against it. It is unlikely that the early Faith Homes would have had the realized emphasis on "the kingdom of God" were they dispensational in their outlook. In personally knowing of the emphasis of Gardiner, Waldvogel and others trained in the homes I suspect their eschatology was somewhere between amillennialism and postmillenialism. That is to say, that "the gospel of the kingdom" and Jesus in His people would have a dramatic transforming effect upon the world though the wheat and the tares would continue up to the end.
F.F Bosworth got kicked out of Zion for promoting Pentecostalism and was later on the original board of the Assemblies of God. Yet he retained contact with those of the Zion Faith Homes and like them denounced the "tongues initial evidence doctrine" and as a result resigned from the AG over this matter.
There is also correspondance between Eugene Brooks and John G. Lake (Brooks a Zion Faith Home leader and as Lake were both once elders in Dowie's church). This too might provide some further insight into the emphasis and understanding of those original Faith Home leaders: http://sites.google.com/site/davidkeames2/johng.lake'slettertoelderbrooksandtherep
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RE: Zion Faith Home = Heard of it? - 8/7/2010 1:31:41 PM
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I guess I have neglected to respond to the posts to this thread that I began long ago. I am sorry. I did see and check out some of the links that were mentioned.
I have known several who had experience at the Zion Faith Homes, including Doug Detert, and have read Martha Wing Robinson's, Radiant Glory, as well as other literature put out by the Homes. But was curious as to other people's perceptions as some have been concerning to me.
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F.F Bosworth got kicked out of Zion for promoting Pentecostalism and was later on the original board of the Assemblies of God. Yet he retained contact with those of the Zion Faith Homes and like them denounced the "tongues initial evidence doctrine" and as a result resigned from the AG over this matter.
admueller shared this and this is even more interesting because this has been one of my concerns. . . the emphasis on "tongues initial evidence doctrine". I have seen this emphasis among those involved at Zion. And I have wondered how far they have strayed from the original teachings of those who established this community.
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RE: Zion Faith Home = Heard of it? - 8/8/2010 10:41:10 PM
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pjmarkavage posted a lot of good information.
Zion Faith Homes is located at 2820 Eshcol Avenue, Zion, IL, 60099 with Guest House at 2736 Eshcol Avenue.
The publication "Meditations on the Revelation" give a pretty clear idea of the teaching on Christ's return if you wanted to investigate. It can be obtained through the Homes by mail request or phone request to 847.872.2443.
Hope this helps.
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RE: Zion Faith Home = Heard of it? - 8/9/2010 12:46:55 PM
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pjmarkavage posted a lot of good information.
Zion Faith Homes is located at 2820 Eshcol Avenue, Zion, IL, 60099 with Guest House at 2736 Eshcol Avenue.
The publication "Meditations on the Revelation" give a pretty clear idea of the teaching on Christ's return if you wanted to investigate. It can be obtained through the Homes by mail request or phone request to 847.872.2443.
Hope this helps.
Thank you. I have that publication if it is written by Rex Andrews? But that is another cause for concern. I see more emphasis on the teachings of others (such as Andrews) rather than an emphasis on studying God's word. Doug Detert is very centered on God's word but others have been more into the teaching rather than the Teacher.
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RE: Zion Faith Home = Heard of it? - 9/1/2010 5:35:54 PM
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Hi, My name is Dave Leopold. I have lived at Zion Faith Homes for about twenty two years of my life. Someone recently told me about this blog so I thought maybe I would see if I could answer a few of your questions. I am not a blog guy. I do not spend a lot of time on the internet and am not computer savvy. You may need a little patience but I'm willing to try. I'll check back in periodically.
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RE: Zion Faith Home = Heard of it? - 9/2/2010 3:22:27 PM
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If anybody does come back to this page please ask me some specific questions. Thanks
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RE: Zion Faith Home = Heard of it? - 5/28/2011 1:19:23 PM
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Mr. Leopold I would have some questions for you if you return.
What was Dowie's and Wilbur Glenn Voliva's connection to Martha Robinson?
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RE: Zion Faith Home = Heard of it? - 6/6/2011 3:29:22 PM
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At the risk of being accused of being an HH'er by all you WOF'ers, I'll step up to say, according to THIS Zion Faith Home and others like it no longer exist. It was in operation from 1910-1936.
If you Google Martha Wing Robinson you can find info on who she was and what she was into. Also, if you go to the Home page on the link I gave, you should be able to discern for yourself what this movement is all about.
I know what WOF stands for, but what about HH?
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RE: Zion Faith Home = Heard of it? - 6/6/2011 4:03:34 PM
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ORIGINAL: Kat_D
At the risk of being accused of being an HH'er by all you WOF'ers, I'll step up to say, according to THIS Zion Faith Home and others like it no longer exist. It was in operation from 1910-1936.
If you Google Martha Wing Robinson you can find info on who she was and what she was into. Also, if you go to the Home page on the link I gave, you should be able to discern for yourself what this movement is all about.
I know what WOF stands for, but what about HH?
Heresy Hunter.
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RE: Zion Faith Home = Heard of it? - 6/6/2011 4:26:13 PM
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I know what WOF stands for, but what about HH?
Heresy Hunter.
Thanks for clearing that up!
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RE: Zion Faith Home = Heard of it? - 6/7/2011 10:07:27 AM
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