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themoodyexperience -> RE: Unholy Trinity: Outraged at TBN's Brazen False Teaching (3/19/2010 12:38:56 AM)

For those of you on Facebook, there is a quiz application called 'Which False Prophet Are You?" The answer choices are quite hilarious. I got Peter Poppoff.



Elena1030 -> RE: Unholy Trinity: Outraged at TBN's Brazen False Teaching (3/19/2010 1:51:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: themoodyexperience

For those of you on Facebook, there is a quiz application called 'Which False Prophet Are You?" The answer choices are quite hilarious. I got Peter Popoff.


Is he the one with the holy water from Chernobyl?



themoodyexperience -> RE: Unholy Trinity: Outraged at TBN's Brazen False Teaching (3/19/2010 1:20:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Elena1030

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ORIGINAL: themoodyexperience

For those of you on Facebook, there is a quiz application called 'Which False Prophet Are You?" The answer choices are quite hilarious. I got Peter Popoff.


Is he the one with the holy water from Chernobyl?


And the green miracle prosperity hankies.



teclils -> RE: Unholy Trinity: Outraged at TBN's Brazen False Teaching (3/24/2010 6:03:20 PM)

I personally don't take what everyone says as "gospel truth" I listen then go to "THE SOURCE" HIMSELF and find the truth how HE directs me in HIS WORD...man will put flesh in it and their own thinking..I cannot trust someone's opinion I don't know what goes on inside them ...but I do know what goes on inside me

People need to search out the truth from GOD for themselves instead of always wanting to be spoon fed..jmo



crankius -> Prosperity Gospel is NOT The Gospel (3/25/2010 12:16:54 AM)

I saw this video today about the prosperity gospel in Africa. So sad.

It reminded me of Piper's words against the prosperity gospel, when he pointed out that this is being preached in Africa and Asia.

It's terrible that this is being sold as the gospel anywhere in the world.



Law-n-Gospel -> RE: Prosperity Gospel is NOT The Gospel (3/25/2010 1:54:37 AM)

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I saw this video today about the prosperity gospel in Africa. So sad.

Disgusting. Wolves among the sheep. I feel an imprecatory prayer coming on.



prophetjul -> RE: Prosperity Gospel is NOT The Gospel (4/18/2010 10:10:38 PM)

http://www.tangle.com/view_video?viewkey=ee51230fa6f33134b24b

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crankius -> RE: Prosperity Gospel is NOT The Gospel (4/18/2010 10:34:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: prophet

http://www.tangle.com/view_video?viewkey=ee51230fa6f33134b24b

[:'(]


Deja vu! [:D] That appears to be same video as two posts above you.



Grace71 -> RE: Prosperity Gospel is NOT The Gospel (4/19/2010 6:50:04 AM)

It does make one wonder though, if the church was doing its job at caring for the desperate, poor, and needy, maybe the people wouldn't follow these preachers who preach this stuff.



3cappuccinosmom -> RE: Prosperity Gospel is NOT The Gospel (4/19/2010 9:05:36 AM)

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It does make one wonder though, if the church was doing its job at caring for the desperate, poor, and needy, maybe the people wouldn't follow these preachers who preach this stuff.
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You know, that sort of makes sense but I disagree.

Look at how many Americans follow this garbage. Some may "feel" poor because they live paycheck to paycheck, but American's by and large are well fed (to the point of obesity) and have a huge government safety net if they truly are poor.

Greed is greed. It happens all over the world. As is laziness, and the Prosperity Gospel is essentially just another 'get rich quick without working hard scheme. I am sure that desparation is an emotion that some feel when they are hooked into this, but I don't think that's the only reason WOF is attractive to people in poor countries.



crankius -> RE: Prosperity Gospel is NOT The Gospel (4/19/2010 11:32:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Grace71

It does make one wonder though, if the church was doing its job at caring for the desperate, poor, and needy, maybe the people wouldn't follow these preachers who preach this stuff.


I completely disagree.

For one, the church DOES reach out and feed and clothe and minister. It just doesn't make front page news. Every church I know is doing what they can in their communities and in foreign missions.

Two, the Gospel is NOT a ticket to clothing, water, new cars, better housing, and it should never be sold as such, and those who accept the gospel based on such hollow theology are not deciding to follow Jesus Christ but their own depraved lusts.

Our message is not:

Believe in Jesus as Lord and your needs/wants will be taken care of!,

but instead,

Believe in Jesus as Lord, even at the loss of all your needs/wants, and He becomes your EVERYTHING.



dwtramm -> RE: Prosperity Gospel is NOT The Gospel (4/19/2010 12:09:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: crankius


Two, the Gospel is NOT a ticket to clothing, water, new cars, better housing, and it should never be sold as such, and those who accept the gospel based on such hollow theology are not deciding to follow Jesus Christ but their own depraved lusts.


Right on! great response.



theprincessbuttercup -> RE: Prosperity Gospel is NOT The Gospel (4/19/2010 12:33:05 PM)

I had a preacher who used to say if he found a homeless, starving loast man, and he cleaned him up, fed him, and gave him a job, but didn't share the gospel with him, then all he had done was clean up a person that was then going to spend eternity separated from God. He might do well for the next thirty years, but eternity is a lot longer than that.



Grace71 -> RE: Prosperity Gospel is NOT The Gospel (4/19/2010 12:47:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: crankius

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It does make one wonder though, if the church was doing its job at caring for the desperate, poor, and needy, maybe the people wouldn't follow these preachers who preach this stuff.


I completely disagree.

For one, the church DOES reach out and feed and clothe and minister. It just doesn't make front page news. Every church I know is doing what they can in their communities and in foreign missions.

Two, the Gospel is NOT a ticket to clothing, water, new cars, better housing, and it should never be sold as such, and those who accept the gospel based on such hollow theology are not deciding to follow Jesus Christ but their own depraved lusts.

Our message is not:

Believe in Jesus as Lord and your needs/wants will be taken care of!,

but instead,

Believe in Jesus as Lord, even at the loss of all your needs/wants, and He becomes your EVERYTHING.


I don't think it is a ticket to anything either, however I do believe that God will provide all my needs. Not my wants, but needs. From what I've read in God's word, feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, and helping the downtrodden is a big part of the gospel. We are commanded to help the poor. I have been in churches that do alot, but I have also been in churches that do nothing. But we have desperate people in this economy that will grab onto anything that gives them hope. Not hope for riches, but the hope they will have enought to feed thier kids dinner.



crankius -> RE: Prosperity Gospel is NOT The Gospel (4/19/2010 1:06:12 PM)

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But we have desperate people in this economy that will grab onto anything that gives them hope. Not hope for riches, but the hope they will have enought to feed thier kids dinner.


But that's the wrong hope to place in salvation. We don't come to Jesus so that our kids will be fed dinner.

In many countries, to become a believer means a loss of basic needs, because they will lose their livelihood, their family, their friends, and may even be put in jail.


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From what I've read in God's word, feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, and helping the downtrodden is a big part of the gospel. We are commanded to help the poor. I have been in churches that do alot, but I have also been in churches that do nothing.


Feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, helping the downtrodden are the results of the Gospel changing people's lives, moving in people to want to reach out and be Christ to those in need, especially widows and orphans, but the Gospel itself is Christ crucified for our sins to bring us reconciliation with God.

I've just never seen a church actually turn away from a true need. The problem in America is that we have very few true needs, and our definition of "help" is often skewed.



Grace71 -> RE: Prosperity Gospel is NOT The Gospel (4/19/2010 2:05:55 PM)

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But that's the wrong hope to place in salvation. We don't come to Jesus so that our kids will be fed dinner.


I agree, but what I'm saying is that some people are so desperate, if they hear "come to Jesus and all your needs/wants will be met" they grab onto that. I believe that has a big part in why people follow the prosperity gospel. Like you said, they put thier hope in the wrong thing. They aren't thinking about salvation when thier kids are starving. They are thinking that Jesus will meet thier need for food.



rcjames -> RE: Prosperity Gospel is NOT The Gospel (4/19/2010 2:38:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Grace71

It does make one wonder though, if the church was doing its job at caring for the desperate, poor, and needy, maybe the people wouldn't follow these preachers who preach this stuff.


So if the Chruch was filling the lust and greed of folks; then they would not need to go to the WOF folks to try and fulfill that greed.

I do not notice the WOF folks promising to meet needs, but to fulfill the envy, greed, and desires of a covetness people.

Thanks
RC



Sonrise -> RE: Prosperity Gospel is NOT The Gospel (5/12/2010 2:50:54 AM)

Praise God for delivering me out of WOF. I go to a charismatic but orderly church and the pastor is now doing a series on greed and how WOF and the prosperity gospel is borne out of that, and he pulls no punches.



Sonrise -> RE: Unholy Trinity: Outraged at TBN's Brazen False Teaching (5/12/2010 9:48:05 PM)

Just got home from church and our pastor was again doing his discussion on greed and how the prosperity gospel/WOF is directly tied into it. I shared with the church that I grew up WOF and we actually use to take WOF family vacations, actually following Copeland, Hagin, Swaggert, et al and I remember that we use to sing what I call WOF worship songs, and looking back I can't believe what we were singing. One of the songs was called "Deuteronomy" and some of the lyrics went like this:

"Deuterono, Deuteronomy...Deuterono, Deuteronomy. Blessings in the city and the country too, Deuterono, Deuteronomy, Blessings for me, blessings for you, Deuterono, Deuteronomy. All the blessing of Abraham are mine, so fine...." How sick and twisted, that's not even a worship song, it's some cultish motivational seminar song, and the worst part is we saw nothing wrong with it. UGH!!

One of the ladies in our church is battling breast cancer and she said that a friend who's very active in WOF actually said to her, "You tried it your way and got sick, how about trying it my way?" How awful and disgraceful is that? She said that never offered to pray for her, but just spit out scripture at her, insinuating that her cancer is due to a "lack of faith." The more I get into the Word, the more I am convinced that WOF is a cult, because it's focus is man, materialism and self, not God.



Dakotasunbeam -> RE: Unholy Trinity: Outraged at TBN's Brazen False Teaching (5/13/2010 2:08:30 AM)

I used to agree with the WOF-hunters, but I'm starting to see a disturbing trend among them that has left a bad taste in my mouth. In fact, it's made me question there motives all-together. I think the concept of tithing is as unbiblical as believing God is our call-servant. Yet I know of truly christian pastors who preach tithing; yet I have not accused them of hersey or fleecing the flock. I'm starting to think a lof of the WOF-hunters are actually a lot of people who have a form of godliness but actually deny the power thereof. I might get flamed--but I'm beginning to see a side of the anti-WOF'ers that is unsettling.

I may not believe I can speak a toaster into my kitchen or that God is my own Daddy Morebucks, but I'm definately taking a big step back from the movement that villifies everything as WOF/Prosperity hersey.



Sonrise -> RE: Unholy Trinity: Outraged at TBN's Brazen False Teaching (5/13/2010 2:23:21 AM)

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I used to agree with the WOF-hunters, but I'm starting to see a disturbing trend among them that has left a bad taste in my mouth. In fact, it's made me question there motives all-together. I think the concept of tithing is as unbiblical as believing God is our call-servant. Yet I know of truly christian pastors who preach tithing; yet I have not accused them of hersey or fleecing the flock. I'm starting to think a lof of the WOF-hunters are actually a lot of people who have a form of godliness but actually deny the power thereof. I might get flamed--but I'm beginning to see a side of the anti-WOF'ers that is unsettling.

I may not believe I can speak a toaster into my kitchen or that God is my own Daddy Morebucks, but I'm definately taking a big step back from the movement that villifies everything as WOF/Prosperity hersey.


No flaming, just two quick questions: Do you have any scripture to back up your assertion that tithing is "unbiblical?" and secondly what exactly is a "form of Godliness", you're either Godly or your not, that's like being kinda pregnant. Thanks



Grace71 -> RE: Unholy Trinity: Outraged at TBN's Brazen False Teaching (5/13/2010 10:12:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dakotasunbeam

I used to agree with the WOF-hunters, but I'm starting to see a disturbing trend among them that has left a bad taste in my mouth. In fact, it's made me question there motives all-together. I think the concept of tithing is as unbiblical as believing God is our call-servant. Yet I know of truly christian pastors who preach tithing; yet I have not accused them of hersey or fleecing the flock. I'm starting to think a lof of the WOF-hunters are actually a lot of people who have a form of godliness but actually deny the power thereof. I might get flamed--but I'm beginning to see a side of the anti-WOF'ers that is unsettling.

I may not believe I can speak a toaster into my kitchen or that God is my own Daddy Morebucks, but I'm definately taking a big step back from the movement that villifies everything as WOF/Prosperity hersey.


I have to agree with you. I have seen some pastors (even to a church who did this) that vilify wof-ers, but every other Sunday are talking about tithing and if your not your being disobedient, you don't love God, etc. Same wolf, different color.



Sonrise -> RE: Unholy Trinity: Outraged at TBN's Brazen False Teaching (5/13/2010 11:18:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Grace71

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ORIGINAL: Dakotasunbeam

I used to agree with the WOF-hunters, but I'm starting to see a disturbing trend among them that has left a bad taste in my mouth. In fact, it's made me question there motives all-together. I think the concept of tithing is as unbiblical as believing God is our call-servant. Yet I know of truly christian pastors who preach tithing; yet I have not accused them of hersey or fleecing the flock. I'm starting to think a lof of the WOF-hunters are actually a lot of people who have a form of godliness but actually deny the power thereof. I might get flamed--but I'm beginning to see a side of the anti-WOF'ers that is unsettling.

I may not believe I can speak a toaster into my kitchen or that God is my own Daddy Morebucks, but I'm definately taking a big step back from the movement that villifies everything as WOF/Prosperity hersey.


I have to agree with you. I have seen some pastors (even to a church who did this) that vilify wof-ers, but every other Sunday are talking about tithing and if your not your being disobedient, you don't love God, etc. Same wolf, different color.


I'll ask you the same question that I asked Dakota: Do you have any scripture to back up your assertion that tithing is "unbiblical?"



Grace71 -> RE: Unholy Trinity: Outraged at TBN's Brazen False Teaching (5/13/2010 12:15:10 PM)

I never said tithing was unbiblical. I'm speaking about how they constantly talk about it and how if you don't tithe you'll have a curse on you, etc.



Sonrise -> RE: Unholy Trinity: Outraged at TBN's Brazen False Teaching (5/13/2010 12:59:22 PM)

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I never said tithing was unbiblical. I'm speaking about how they constantly talk about it and how if you don't tithe you'll have a curse on you, etc.


Oh, okay, Dakota said that it was, and I thought that you agreed with her, my bad. I've never heard a preacher say that if you didn't tithe you'd be cursed, but if they did, I'd adamantly disagree with them. The way I look at it, everything we have is God's and he let's us keep 90% of it; how awesome is he!



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