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RE: joyce meyer - 8/3/2010 12:15:39 AM
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Just because it's got Jesus, God, Holy SPirit sprinkled throughout doesn't make it true.
I'm in full agreement with you here. I'm not defending anyone named in any thread as a false teacher. And I love what Jesus said through Paul here, Ephesians 5
1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient : but rather giving of thanks. 5 For this ye know , that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.a 7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
I want to meet christians here and enjoy the relationships made. I have no agenda.
And let me humbly identify with this scripture
1 Corinthians 2
1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. 2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified .
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I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live ; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/3/2010 8:55:03 AM
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AND ye believe ye is a little god?
That remionds me of something Jesus said in John 10;
Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?"
The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God."
Jesus answered them, "Has it not been written in your Law, 'I SAID, YOU ARE GODS'?
"If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'? If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father."
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/3/2010 9:37:36 AM
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Justin Peters has a very good video of the false teachings of the WOF. The specific doctrine of the little gods doctrine is discussed in the second part.
"A Call for Discernment" A Biblical Critique of the Word of Faith Movement - Justin Peters
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/3/2010 9:41:42 AM
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AND ye believe ye is a little god?
That remionds me of something Jesus said in John 10;
Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?"
The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God."
Jesus answered them, "Has it not been written in your Law, 'I SAID, YOU ARE GODS'?
"If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'? If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father."
From the CRI Journal on the Deification of Man:
"If the former interpretation is correct, then in John 10:34-35 Jesus would be understood to mean that if God called wicked judges "gods" how much more appropriate is it for Him, Jesus, to be called God, or even the Son of God. If the ironic interpretation of Psalm 82:6 is correct, then in John 10:34-35 Jesus' point would still be basically the same. It is also possible that Jesus was implying that the Old Testament application of the term "gods" to wicked judges was fulfilled (taking "not to be broken" to mean "not to be unfulfilled," cf. John 7:23) in Himself as the true Judge (cf. John 5:22,27-30; 9:39).[18] Those wicked men were, then, at best called "gods" and "sons of the Most High" in a special and figurative sense; and at worst they were pseudo-gods and pseudo-sons of God. Jesus, on the other hand, is truly God (cf. John 1:1,18; 20:28; 1 John 5:20) and the unique Son of God (John 10:36; 20:31; etc.) Neither the representative nor the ironic interpretation of Psalm 82 allows it (or John 10:34-35) to be understood to teach that men were created or redeemed to be gods."
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/3/2010 11:21:09 AM
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I prefer not to be like the Pharisees who sat and waited for Jesus to make a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes in their teachings, and we need to look at the positive stuff. I have no negativity to say on her or many others. Except for the people who are way off, which there are such preachers out there.
AMEN to that. I believe Jesus is well please in the statement you just made.
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No. How you would get that from what I said is funny. Jesus is the way, truth, and life. I said let unity come to the body of Christ. And left no room for cults of lies.
And let all who serve Jesus be concerned with essentials of gospel, evangelism, feeding the hungry, intercession, the greatest commandments as Jesus exampled. And not all this five year ols I'm right and their wrong.
Would you like to be the first to step up and Scripturally defend the teachings of JM that have been proven to be false in this thread?
I'll wait.
I'm not defend her or false doctrine. But let me ask you a question. If you pass JM in heaven will your point still be so important? Certainly not. We will all be serving and loving Jesus. Which is where our focus should be while in earthly service.
Do you believe at the bema judgement Jesus will commend all who exposed wayward christians? Good job Kat_D on wasted time? Wouldn't we be better stewards of His time evangelizing to the lost? Shouldn't the body have a military attitude of, no man left behind? Shouldn't we be pray for christians in error, intsead of enjoying our positions of being right and them wrong?
So my point is not whether she right or wrong. Let us be prayerfully concerned with what God really needs us doing.
I'll wait.
Why do you believe that those who preach a false gospel will be in Heaven? Do you think JW's will be in Heaven, or Mormons or Scientologists?
You got me; I honestly have no idea how that scripture answers my question. Would you mind clarifying it foe me? Thanks
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/3/2010 11:46:40 AM
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I'm not defending anyone named in any thread as a false teacher.
Well, then you're in the wrong place and are off topic. Here is the OP for this thread:
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any joyce meyer fans here? what is right wrong with her>
If you want to criticize those who expose JM's false teaching, then you need to start another thread.
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RE: Joyce Meyer - 8/3/2010 4:01:51 PM
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Just as it gets close to thread purgatory a new poster will start posting in it and it's around for another year at least. People are still buying her books, listening to her false teachings and sending her money they probably don't have so it's a good thing that this is here for those who wish to dig deeper into what she and her group of WOF'ers are teaching.
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RE: Joyce Meyer - 8/3/2010 4:10:30 PM
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....sending her money they probably don't have...
Since I don't watch her programs or read her books, can you tell me if she begs people to send her money without anything in exchange like Mike Murdock does?
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RE: Joyce Meyer - 8/3/2010 4:17:19 PM
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I haven't watched her since I went to one of her conferences a few years ago. Let's just say that she hawked her goods more than she preached and it was not uplifting at all. I just sensed that something wasn't right with the whole deal. The last time I ever subjected myself to a WOF/Charismatic preacher was when some woman behind me started claiming that there was no hell and the pastor didn't rebuke her or stop her outburst.
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/4/2010 11:21:19 AM
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Just because it's got Jesus, God, Holy SPirit sprinkled throughout doesn't make it true.
I'm in full agreement with you here. I'm not defending anyone named in any thread as a false teacher. And I love what Jesus said through Paul here, Ephesians 5
1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient : but rather giving of thanks. 5 For this ye know , that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.a 7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
I want to meet christians here and enjoy the relationships made. I have no agenda.
And let me humbly identify with this scripture
1 Corinthians 2
1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. 2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified .
Dave, I just wanted to say that I realize you came to this thread in the spirit of a peacemaker and I understand what you are saying.
It's just that I, along with others here, have a terrific burden for the souls that are deceived by teachers like JM and rejoice when anyone who has been led astray by her teaching turns to the Truth after reading here.
If you read this thread in its entirety, you will see there are those who join the thread solely to chastise us for exposing her false teaching. You will also see that we have been called terrible names and accused of terrible things, so we can get a little touchy.
After re-reading your post, I know that was not your intent, so I apologize for being snarky with you. Please forgive me.
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/4/2010 11:28:23 PM
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Just because it's got Jesus, God, Holy SPirit sprinkled throughout doesn't make it true.
I'm in full agreement with you here. I'm not defending anyone named in any thread as a false teacher. And I love what Jesus said through Paul here, Ephesians 5
1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient : but rather giving of thanks. 5 For this ye know , that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.a 7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
I want to meet christians here and enjoy the relationships made. I have no agenda.
And let me humbly identify with this scripture
1 Corinthians 2
1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. 2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified .
Dave, I just wanted to say that I realize you came to this thread in the spirit of a peacemaker and I understand what you are saying.
It's just that I, along with others here, have a terrific burden for the souls that are deceived by teachers like JM and rejoice when anyone who has been led astray by her teaching turns to the Truth after reading here.
If you read this thread in its entirety, you will see there are those who join the thread solely to chastise us for exposing her false teaching. You will also see that we have been called terrible names and accused of terrible things, so we can get a little touchy.
After re-reading your post, I know that was not your intent, so I apologize for being snarky with you. Please forgive me.
Thanks. It's a pleasure meeting you.
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/5/2010 1:15:59 PM
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any joyce meyer fans here? what is right wrong with her>
I like her messages.
Especially when she talks about the power of "words" (her favorite verse to bring up is Prov. 18:21). She's definatley not an evangelist, but a teacher, she might even pass as a pastor.
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/5/2010 2:10:39 PM
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Oh, you mean like some of this stuff?
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Her DOCUMENTED WOF teaching:
These are absurd to think that our words can kill a plan of an Almighty and Sovereign God. This is the height of arrogance to think that our words can kill what God wants to do?
-You know, I was listening to a set of tapes by one man and he explained it like this, and I think this kind of gets the point across, he said, ‘Why do people have such a fit about God calling His creation, His man—not His whole creation, but His man—little gods? If He’s God, what’s He going to call them but the god-kind?’ I mean, if you as a human being have a baby, you call it a human kind. If cattle has another cattle, they call it cattle-kind. So, I mean, what’s God supposed to call us? Doesn’t the Bible say we’re created in his image? Now, you understand I am not saying you are God with a capital G."
(Joyce Meyer, "Authority and Opposition," Tape 1236.)
- "Our words are containers of power. The power of life and death is in the tongue."
(Joyce Meyer, "What Does Your Future Hold?" TBN, May 24, 2004)
-"We can kill the plan of God for our lives with a negative confession."
(Joyce Meyer, "Mind, Mouth, Moods, and Attitudes," tape 2 of 4 the "Mouth")
-"I want to say it again, be sure you're not killing God's good plan for your life by letting negative words come out of our mouth all of the time. I believe that wrong words affect our health. I would go so far as to say that there are people here today that you may be sick in your body simply because of speaking wrong words, negative words."
(Joyce Meyer, "Mind, Mouth, Moods, and Attitudes," tape 2 of 4 the "Mouth")
-"Say this with me, 'I will not kill God's good plan for my life by speaking negative words."
(Joyce Meyer, "Mind, Mouth, Moods, and Attitudes," tape 2 of 4 the "Mouth")
-"I want us to think again for a minute in closing about this thing about making sure that we're not killing God's plan with negative words."
(Joyce Meyer, "Mind, Mouth, Moods, and Attitudes," tape 2 of 4 the "Mouth")
-"If I speak death I'll eat death. If I speak life I'll eat life...I want you to say with me, 'I can destroy my life with my own words."
(Joyce Meyer, "Mind, Mouth, Moods, and Attitudes," tape 2 of 4 the "Mouth")
-"I believe that words are containers for power and they either carry negative or positive power. They carry creative or destructive power. So, if I'm speaking right things I'm going to have right results. And if I'm speaking wrong things I'm going to have wrong results. And we do pay for our words. If, if I can say it like this, we eat our own words."
(Joyce Meyer, "Mind, Mouth, Moods, and Attitudes," tape 2 of 4 the "Mouth")
-"When Jesus was experiencing the most intense pressure of His life, He decided that it would be wise not to open His mouth. Why? I believe it was because He realized that in His humanity, He would have been tempted to do the same thing you and I are tempted to do—doubt, question God, complain, or say something negative."
(Joyce Meyer, Enjoying Everyday Life Magazine, "Crossing Over to the Other Side" May 2004)
- "Our Words Are Containers of Power: "Words are very important, and we will be held responsible for them. Proverbs 18:21 says, Death and life are in the power of the tongue…What we say has the power to impact our lives and the lives of others in a negative or a positive way. That’s why we need to learn to think about what we’re going to say before we say it."
(Joyce Meyer, Enjoying Everyday Life Magazine, "Think before You Speak" May 2004)
- "Did you know that you can change the very course of your life by the type of words you speak?"
(Joyce Meyer, Enjoying Everyday Life Magazine, "Think before You Speak" May 2004)
-"My teaching this weekend as usual is not going to be doctrinally religious. It's going to be something that you can use in your everyday life."
(Joyce Meyer, "Mind, Mouth, Moods, and Attitudes," tape 1 of 4 the "Mind")
-"But you cannot throw out positive confession, and you cannot throw out all the faith teachers, and you cannot throw out positive thinking. And you cannot get rid of those kinds of things because they're in the Bible from one end of it to the other."
(Joyce Meyer, PFO Quarterly Journal, April-June 2002, pg. 6.
-"The faith movement is right. You can't throw the faith movement out the window."
(Joyce Meyer, PFO Quarterly Journal, April-June 2002, pg. 14.)
- "We need to have faith filled words going out of our mouth."
(Joyce Meyer, PFO Quarterly Journal, April-June 2002, pg. 14. Satan and Demons-Origin and Fall, side 2)
-"Giving doesn't cost, it pays!"
(Joyce Meyer, Daystar Spring Share-A-Thon, March 2, 2004)
-"Words are containers for power they carry creative or destructive power positive or negative power so we need to be speaking right things over our lives and about our futures if we expect to have good things happen because what you say then is what you probably end up having tomorrow.
(Joyce Meyer, audio-clip, "Bible Answer-man," Hank Hanegraaff, January, 2003)
-"Poverty is probably one of the most unique spirits to watch. You can watch a spirit of poverty take over an entire neighborhood...And almost always with a poverty spirit, comes a spirit that just stinks. I mean, a poverty spirit just plain stinks. When I get people at the altar that got a poverty spirit on them they almost always have bad breath and body odor."
(Joyce Meyer, PFO Quarterly Journal, April-June 2002, page 6)
-"You got a storage bin, a storage locker in heaven that has alot of stuff in it that needs to be claimed."
(Joyce Meyer, "What Does Your Future Hold" May 21, 2004)
-"We need to claim as much of that inheritance as we possibly can...One of the things you can do right now is speak positive things about your future right now."
(Joyce Meyer, "What Does Your Future Hold" May 21, 2004)
Oh, yeah, she's a regular exegetical genious. 
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/5/2010 2:28:19 PM
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-"Giving doesn't cost, it pays!"
(Joyce Meyer, Daystar Spring Share-A-Thon, March 2, 2004)
Sure does.
Btw, Thanks goes to Soxfan for digging this up, and thanks Kat D for re-hashing this valuable information.
Though I don't agree with everything she says, such as:
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-"Poverty is probably one of the most unique spirits to watch. You can watch a spirit of poverty take over an entire neighborhood...And almost always with a poverty spirit, comes a spirit that just stinks. I mean, a poverty spirit just plain stinks. When I get people at the altar that got a poverty spirit on them they almost always have bad breath and body odor."
(Joyce Meyer, PFO Quarterly Journal, April-June 2002, page 6) This seems out of order. But probably true, considering that they cannot afford to stay clean.
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-"When Jesus was experiencing the most intense pressure of His life, He decided that it would be wise not to open His mouth. Why? I believe it was because He realized that in His humanity, He would have been tempted to do the same thing you and I are tempted to do—doubt, question God, complain, or say something negative."
(Joyce Meyer, Enjoying Everyday Life Magazine, "Crossing Over to the Other Side" May 2004) This on the other hand is pure speculation and should be dealt with. (Pitchforks anyone?)
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RE: Joyce Meyer - 8/7/2010 9:25:56 AM
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Who's heart have I spoken about? Only God knows a persons heart, we can however utilize the discernment of the Holy Spirit and see someones fruits. There is an enemy out there and he is real, and the word says that he comes to kill, steal and destroy and he will use anyone to do his work for him, including those that profess to preach the word.
Yes we know about the enemy and it is not other Christians.
not other real christians i do agree. however and unfortunately not everyone that claims to be christian are in fact christians. those are the enemy.
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/7/2010 9:51:44 AM
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You have to realize that Joyce is of the Word of Faith doctrine! This is a total different doctrine!
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/7/2010 11:05:17 AM
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Kat,
Thanks for the recap info on JM. One can see by what she says who she wants to elevate, and it is herself.
We are given signs for determining whether someone is speaking for God or not.
Isaiah 8:20- To the law and the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Joyce talks about Joyce, not about God or Jesus Christ.
John 8:18- Jesus said, "He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but he who seeks the glory of the One who sent him is true, and no unrighteousness is in him."
A person speaking for God will give the glory to God. Jesus explains this extensively in John and it is repeated again and again throughout the new testament.
Paul ends many of his letters in this way;
Romans 16:27- To God alone wise, be glory through Jesus Christ forever. Amen
Phil. 4:20- Now to our God and Father be glory forever. Amen
Hebrews begins by talking about the glory of God in verse 3 talking of Jesus- who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person-
I do not see her as a speaker for God. She is more about the glory of Joyce Meyer.
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/7/2010 7:59:41 PM
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You have to realize that Joyce is of the Word of Faith doctrine! This is a total different doctrine!
you are right on that. she is as false as the rest of them. they all make it about what we can do to become holy and all kinds of other garbage.
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/9/2010 6:02:50 PM
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Hello admiralnasmith
I am a 73 year old man and I love Joyce Meyer. She preaches the pure word as it applies to the hearts of people. She isn't hung up on doctrines but helps people develop their hearts as Christ envisions them to become.
She is funny too. I know few people in which the Holy Spirit has overhauled so completely. Because of that, I see God as a real being who is intensely interested in us, as people.
Joyce Meyer is not my pastor, and that is not her calling. So, I'm not bothered with her.
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/10/2010 2:55:35 PM
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Soxfan
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She preaches the pure word...
Do you mean like this?:
From Joyce Meyer's booklet The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make, an evangelistic work aimed at nonbelievers, she resounds the Word-Faith view of Christ’s atonement:
"During that time He entered hell, where you and I deserved to go (legally) because of our sin. He paid the price there ... no plan was too extreme ... Jesus paid on the cross and in hell” (pg. 35,).
“God rose up from His throne and said to demon powers tormenting the sinless Son of God, ‘Let Him go.’ Then the resurrection power of Almighty God went through hell and filled Jesus ... He was resurrected from the dead — the first born-again man” (pg. 36, underlining in the original).
“His spirit went to hell because that is where we deserved to go. Remember in the very beginning of this, I said, ‘When you die, only your body dies. The rest of you, your soul and spirit, goes either to heaven or hell’” (ibid.).
“There is no hope of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth I am presenting. You cannot go to heaven unless you believe with all your heart that Jesus took your place in hell” (ibid.).
“Jesus went to hell for you” (pg. 38, underlining in the original).
Not only is that FALSE teaching, it undermines that very nature of Jesus' atonement on the Cross. If I recall, one of his last words on the cross was "IT IS FINISHED"
Or this:
"When Jesus was experiencing the most intense pressure of His life, He decided that it would be wise not to open His mouth. Why? I believe it was because He realized that in His humanity, He would have been tempted to do the same thing you and I are tempted to do—doubt, question God, complain, or say something negative."
(Joyce Meyer, Enjoying Everyday Life Magazine, "Crossing Over to the Other Side" May 2004)
Or this:
“I’m going to tell you something folks, I didn’t stop sinning until I finally got it through my thick head I wasn’t a sinner anymore. And the religious world thinks that’s heresy and they want to hang you for it. But the Bible says that I’m righteous and I can’t be righteous and be a sinner at the same time ... All I was ever taught to say was, ‘I’m a poor, miserable sinner.’ I am not poor, I am not miserable and I am not a sinner. That is a lie from the pit of hell. That is what I was and if I still am then Jesus died in vain. Amen?”
In contrast, the Apostle John says, “If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us” (1 John 1:8). It is Christ’s righteousness imparted to us, not ours, that makes us righteous.
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She isn't hung up on doctrines but helps people develop their hearts as Christ envisions them to become.
Take a look at post 1465 above. Kat_D provides a number of examples of her false doctrine
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She is funny too.
With all due respect....Perverting God's Word for monetary gain is NOT funny.
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/11/2010 12:52:49 PM
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When you give , you get a receipt in Heaven????
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/11/2010 1:04:13 PM
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Let me see if it's hosted on you tube.
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